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by Chris Kretowicz, 14 Sep 2001
by Chris Kretowicz, 14 Sep 2001
I'm not quite sure about the Fighting Organization flag. It wasn't a
simple Zionist (Israeli) flag?
Nathan Lamm, 11 Nov 2001
by Chris Kretowicz, 14 Sep 2001
Interesting to see that a Revisionist group uses a plain two stipes
flag.
BETAR usually used flags based on the Zionist flags with inscriptions.
Dov Gutterman, 15 Sep 2001
Yes, it is quite puzzling. I am familiar with the fact that Betar used
a variety of Zionist flags with slogans and images on it before the WW
II and in Palestine, but it is also beyond the doubt that Pawel Frankel's
ZZW units raised the white and blue bicolor (together with Polish flag)
over their positions in the Warsaw Ghetto in the Uprising.
What was the reason for not using typical Betar flags ?
I can't speculate on it. Maybe somebody knows, and will be kind enough
to give us an input on this question ?
Chris Kretowicz, 15 Sep 2001
A possible link to the Polish (light blue
replacing red)? They *were* trying to get Polish support.
Nathan Lamm, 11 Nov 2001
I came across a book in the store today entitled "Two Flags". It's a history of the ZZW, one of the groups fighting the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, whose flag is discussed here. The cover shows (as illustrations, not photos) two flags, one white over blue (dark blue, not light as on FOTW), the other white over red. On the FOTW page, I suggest that the arrangement of the former may have been chosen to complement the Polish flag (although, I'll admit, it seems to have been common among Zionist flags of the era), and, while I could find no reference to the matching flags in a brief skimming of the book, the title would seem to indicate that someone associated with the ZZW saw the similarity as well.
One more point: I don't think we should underestimate the fact that
in trying times, a simple blue/white flag would be much simpler to make
than the actual Zionist/Israeli one. I've seen film and photos of Jewish
survivors of a concentration camp- Buchenwald, I think- who made just such
a flag immediately after they were liberated, by sewing together white
and blue cloth. I don't recall if it was held vertically or horizontally,
but I doubt that was even thought of- the symbolism was important on its
own.
Nathan Lamm, 15 Jan 2008
During the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of April-May, 1943, The ZOB (Zydowska Organizacja Bojowa or Jewish Fighting Organization or Yidische Kampf Organizatzion) led by Mordechaj Anielewicz and composed of members of leftist and ultra leftist youth organizations:
The Jewish Council (Judenrat) of Warsaw Ghetto was flying a white flag
with the blue shield of David in the center.The Jewish
Police (or Ordnungsdienst) were wearing shield of David on their caps
or berets. All of the "residents" of the Ghetto were required to wear white
armbands with the shield of David. The president of the Judenrat in Warsaw
Ghetto was dr Adam Czerniakow, a controversial and tragic figure,who commited
suicide in 1942 after realizing his policy of appeasement and collaboration
couldn't save any lives, especially those of children.The Warsaw Ghetto
Judenrat issued paper money,which were,
of course, absolutely worthless outside the walls.
The one with the ironic title of "king" or "emperor" was the president
of the Judenrat in the Lodz (Litzmanstadt) Ghetto in Central Poland. His
name was Chaim Mordechaj Rumkowski and he was generally despised and hardly
has any apologists in contrast to Dr.Czerniakow in Warsaw. In his "realm",
the Nazis let him issue postage stamps with his portrait in the upper right
corner, print paper money and even mint two coins: the aluminum 10 Mark
and the magnesium 5 Mark.
I do hope this answers posted questions.
Chris Kretowicz and Dov Gutterman, 3 Sep 2001
The Warsaw Ghetto page on FOTW states that the Judenrat flew a blue
Shield of David on white, while the resistance flew a standard Israeli/Zionist
flag. On NBC's current series about the revolt, they show the revolt flying
the first flag (almost square), however. Any info?
Nathan Lamm, 6 Nov 2001
The NBC miniseries is taking a lot of liberties with the historical
truth about the events in Warsaw Ghetto,of which their depiction of the
flag is only one of many and least significant, so believe rather FOTW
pages than NBC.
Chris Kretowicz, 6 Nov 2001
Is it known what happened to the flags flown over the Warsaw Ghetto
during the Uprising of 1943. I am curious as to if there is any information
about where those flags are located, or even if they survived the Uprising.
I know a few flags were captured but other than that I am not sure.
Robert Ballard, 28 Feb 2003
Considering the savagery and brutality of the suppresion of the Warsaw
Ghetto Uprising it is very unlikely any of the flags could
survive. Soon, the new museum, dedicated solely to the memory of this
uprising, is due to open in Warsaw and, if any of the flags survived, it
would be the place to find them.
Chrystian Kretowicz, 1 Mar 2003